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So what your basically saying is that McMaster-Carr 11 second oil is not fast enough? What if I used brine? Would it be fast enough? I don't want to use water because I have broken too many. I just ordered McMaster- Carr 11 and I suppose I need to wait a while before I get Park's 50 Is...

Bubba-San Wouldn't a 4-6 second quinch sacrifice fully hardened blade?

Gary B and Stabber, Thanks alot but I am not setup to forge it down just yet, but hope to by spring. Thanks Carey, that should also work with 11 second oil, don't you think? Jerry

JDB L I B [well i'll be] Done learned something this year Jerry

Just where do you think, I might buy a pc of W2 1/8" flat stock? Jerry

16F long time sense I've it this cold--Jerry

South MS beach 22 tonight Thats cold for these parts Jerry

I struck all that down in my notes, thanks Now I've got to stop playing with this and get to work next time I'll use 1080 and the 11second oil will be in. Thanks, Jerry

As cold as I want to see it. Was 25 this morning about 4:00AM My shop is an addition to the back porch with two open sides and I have been out there most all morning. COLD Jerry

Well, I did it like steven F said to, and NO hamon. Maybe it's because it's 1084 or maybe it the canola oil.But I do have a good diff HT on the blade. Maybe next time. !! second oil on the way. Thanks for everything guys--Jerry

I thought my sugar was slow. 24" sugar creek will get to 1930 in 1hr:50min BUT, it will very about 50-60 degrees for 45 min Think I will stop gripping about it and find something else to bit@# about. [at my age, thats what I do best] Jerry

I got a very deep blue on a blade from tempering it one hr. @ 450. It was a solid color all over and very beautiful. Jerry BTW it was hand sanded to 1500 before the final temper

Hay guys, Thanks for all the info. I have a pt. of PCB etchant solution from Radio shack, will that do the trick? I also have a gal. of distilled vinegar, which would be the best to itch with? Thanks, Jerry

thanks, Josh Jerry

For the life of me, I cannot find what I itch a hamon with. This will be my first hamon the steel is 1084. Have been making knives for 5-6 yrs on a reg. basis, but never got around to the hamon thing. If someone would give me a kick start , I would app. it Thanks a bunch--Jerry

BUT, That don't mean that you cain't come down on Sat. BE GLAD TO HAVE YOU--Jerry

Murph, I have 10 sticks 5'long of Admiral's 1084 HR as rolled. I suppose I'm just too lazy to anneal it before using it. You know how my time is and I have 12 more to get out ASAP and still working on that bistro. I will probably just get into that 0-1PG and get them turned out. But I...

Sure wish I could find some 1084 CRA Jerry

Hay,man have a chance,run down here and HT it yourself. I'll show you how Jerry

Hay Murph, I have the single burner Chili forge and it gets about 2300, but blows straight down. Has a bad hot spot--When you get one, by all means, get one that swirls around the interior. Good luck--Jerry